Cancel Mobs & Genericide | Tim w/ The Secret Pickle

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Plus, Tim from The Secret Pickle joins us to talk building an invite-only pickleball club with speakeasy vibes, zero randos, and a membership cap that’ll make you feel like you’re in a paddle cult.

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(0:00) I really think maybe we set our son up for that because remember when they were little and they would misbehave in the car (0:06) We would point to abandoned buildings and be like if you don't listen, we're going to drop you off at dirty house (0:11) Yeah (0:13) This is big dink energy the pickleball podcast. It's half insight half nonsense and all entertaining (0:20) If you love pickleball, don't take yourself too seriously and think a little trash talk makes the game better. Welcome home (0:26) This is the place where life and pickleball intersect (0:30) We celebrate the chaos call out the nonsense and put the fun back in dysfunction (0:35) You're either in or you're out.And if you're still listening you're in so let's go (0:41) Big dink energy starts now (0:44) Every breath you take we'll be watching you gordon sumner said that sting. That's his real name (0:51) I I know the the p ditty version. Oh, excuse me (0:55) Oh my gosh (0:55) If you're in your car, wherever you're listening crank it all the way up (0:58) This one's going to be a good one, but aren't they all listen? (1:01) This episode is brought to you by blue balls and they're way more than the toughest pickleballs in the game (1:06) Their extreme 40 balls are built to take a beating (1:09) Sometimes you got to pay extra for that fly straight and keep the rally going longer than your stamina clubs (1:14) Love them coaches trust them and if you've got a crew that chews through balls, like I chew through cold brew (1:19) Their 100 pack bulk deal keeps you stocked all season, but here's the kicker (1:24) Boom blue balls is making noise with their paddles, too (1:27) Same no nonsense performance same take it to the limit design (1:31) Whether you're grinding tournaments or banging it out in open play these paddles bring the pop and control (1:37) You didn't know you were missing upgrade your gear at blueballs.com. That's b-l-o-o-b-a-l-l-z (1:44) Dot com play harder dink longer swing (1:47) with blue balls (1:48) And while you're over there grab a t-shirt too, because I always get compliments on my blue balls t-shirt (1:54) Everybody loves the blue balls and the blue balls paddle.Yeah, everyone loves that one. Don't be afraid guys (1:59) These are blue balls you can handle. Yep (2:02) Okay, so I thought for this week I would bring a little quiz to you ladies (2:08) Okay, ladies of ladies of the paddle of the pickleball (2:13) So who knows what's a little concerning yes, who knows what genericide is (2:19) Okay, you're going to do great on the quiz (2:21) I could kind of boulder dash my way through it.Yeah. Okay, let's do a board. I know what genocide is (2:27) Okay genocide.It's where you listen to too much genesis genesis. I knew it. No (2:33) genericide in trademark law genericide happens when a brand name becomes so commonly used that people use it to refer to (2:39) An entire class of products whether rather than a specific brand (2:42) Effectively making the trademark lose its legal protection and becoming a ubiquitous or generic term.Oh interesting (2:50) Okay. Yeah, so i'm going to give you a word (2:53) A product and I want you to tell me is it genericide or not true or false t or the f? (3:00) All right. All right true is that it is genericide.Um (3:04) Yes (3:05) Yes, meaning it's the brand that's it is genericide. Yeah, it's it is it's in the public domain now, okay (3:13) All right (3:14) Escalator. Oh, yeah true.I don't know false. I mean i've always called it an escalator (3:20) I've never known any different different. Okay escalator was once a trademark owned by the otis elevator company often see them in hotel rooms (3:27) Otis coined it in 1900.It became generic when people used escalator to mean any moving staircase interesting (3:33) All right, who's keeping score well I have one I know that okay keep your own score at home (3:38) All right buzz in with your name when you know it thermos true (3:42) Buzz in with your name is what the rules were, but we don't have a buzzer. It's true (3:46) Okay, thermos is still a protracted trademark in the u.s (3:49) Oh, it was ruled generic in 1963 thermos was originally owned by thermos (3:55) Gmbh not thurman merman. No, not thurman merman.How many sandwiches you want sienna? (4:00) Yeah (4:02) Aspirin true (4:04) aspirin false (4:06) It is true (4:07) aspirin lost its trademark status in the united states after world war one the one I was in (4:12) Uh bear lost its u.s rights in 1919 when the government seized german assets (4:16) All right kleenex true true false what false (4:23) Okay, maybe I don't understand the rules of this game. Kleenex is still a protected trademark, but everybody just still everybody just said (4:30) But it's not it didn't lose its patent. Yep.Kleenex is still protected trademark owned by kimberly clark though (4:36) It's at high risk of genericide. Yeah, it should be. Yeah for sure.All right (4:41) yo-yo, oh (4:43) False. I have no idea is yo-yo still trademarked or is it generic sided true? (4:49) It's true. It is true, uh owned by duncan toys.The court ruled it generic in 1965. Wow. I still have four points (4:57) zipper (4:58) True true zipper is false (5:01) Is still a registered trademark owned by levi's it was coined by bf.Really bf goodrich for a brand of boots (5:08) But became generic by the 1920s. Oh, that's interesting (5:12) But it still has its patent. Yep (5:13) Now, you know if you got one out there shout us out put it in the comments and let us know (5:17) Uh one that you didn't know maybe we got some fan mail.Do we have fan mail? We do have fan mail. Oh, yeah (5:24) this fan mail comes from (5:26) Chance and he says what an amazing podcast and even more amazing group of people (5:32) If you love pickleball or want a good laugh or both then check these guys out (5:37) Thank you. Chance.Thanks chance (5:44) Just the tip quick pickleball wisdom in and out before you know it (5:48) Did you know power doesn't come from tensing up muscles? (5:50) Listen how hard you hit the ball isn't directly correlated with how hard you're trying to swing meaning (5:57) If you muscle the ball, you're actually not going to maximize your power (6:01) If you want to hit the ball hard you need to have a relaxed swing relaxing your muscles allows for you to get maximum paddle (6:08) Acceleration which will in turn lead to loads of power muscling (6:12) The ball will inhibit your paddle from accelerating as fast as it can except for you (6:17) Obviously, yeah that just drive drive drive everything that we do hit the ball as hard as possible (6:29) It's time for (6:31) Uh, I wanted to do this interview for a little while now we already mentioned him on the podcast at a certain point (6:40) Uh, have you ever wanted to be part of a secret society? Well now is your chance (6:44) That's what our guest tim is building (6:46) We're going to talk to the man behind the secret pickle a private invite only pickleball club quietly being built in (6:53) I don't know about quietly built in lynchburg, virginia. No not where jack daniels is. That's tennessee (6:58) No, big signage.No social media blitz (7:01) No 500 member free for all just clean courts curated vibes and an intentionally tight knit community (7:07) Listen, tim's part visionary part entrepreneur part local legend for sure (7:11) He's pulling back the curtain today on what it takes to create a club that thrives in silence (7:16) So if you ever dreamed about launching your own pickleball palace (7:18) Or just want to know what the heck goes on behind the locked doors of the secret pickle (7:22) You're about to find out tim. Thanks so much for being on the big dink energy podcast. Thank you.Thank you for having me (7:28) So the name is already mysterious right the secret pickle. So how did that come about the the the idea for the name? (7:34) Yeah, so we wanted to make something I guess the the name the name itself came from I don't know if you ever been to (7:42) Vegas, you know, the cosmopolitan has a place called the secret pizza and (7:47) You know, it's kind of the same thing. They don't have advertising.I don't even think they have social media (7:52) The only way you can find it is either you know (7:56) It's there or you have to find some influencer that tells you how to get there, right? (8:01) So that's kind of how it was like and you know, those guys are doing like eight million dollars a year. Yeah (8:07) Outrageous, they're killing it and they are you're right. They're really tight on their social media stuff, too (8:11) Yeah, so that's uh, I was like, you know what like there's all these big companies out there doing pickleball all of these (8:18) You know the hub and all these other big places (8:21) We're like let's what if we kind of change a little bit and kind of want a little more names? (8:25) Yeah, I love it.I love it. So tell us uh, tell us about your vision, I guess so we got the name the secret pickle (8:32) um coming from the secret pizza in vegas, but kind of what is your (8:36) Vision for the whole thing because you guys you're almost done right or are you already done? (8:40) Yeah, we're almost done. Um, you know the building's up everything we're finishing up (8:45) Well, we're getting some of the bathrooms built out and things like that and then the finish, you know (8:51) We'll come in here pretty soon (8:52) but the vision the vision was (8:55) You know in our city where it's kind of small when we don't have a whole lot of indoor facilities, right? (9:01) so you have (9:02) like like one place and then maybe the ymca where you're fighting for (9:07) Space against basketball and badminton and things like that (9:11) So I was like what if we I don't want to spend 10 million dollars building out a 10 core facility (9:18) And you know, what if it doesn't work? (9:20) Like that's that's a lot of money to do something like that 10 20 million dollars (9:24) Some of these places are putting in what if we just did something more niche where people could have the core when they want to (9:30) Or yeah, you know that that was the biggest complaint when I started asking around was you know (9:36) Honestly, i've only played pickleball once, you know and (9:40) At a birthday party (9:44) It was fun I had a great time (9:46) but you know (9:47) Then I was like what if you know that once I started talking to some people it's like okay if it rains they can play (9:52) And yeah, if if in the when it gets too cold, they can't play if they show up at the one facility (9:58) They have here in town.It's it's open and (10:02) You know, you know you go across the country playing sometimes you get to some of these places (10:06) And you can't get a core for a while. You're trying to kind of you know slip in there (10:10) So that that was the kind of the thought behind it every time i've done i've built the business (10:14) It's always been okay. Where can we find a little niche and where can we? (10:19) Kind of explore that and see if there is a market for it (10:23) Yeah for me it kind of when I heard about it and we read about it (10:26) I kind of thought you know because i've been to I smoke cigars (10:29) So i've been to a couple great cigar places that you know, you had your own locker you had access to an exclusive club (10:35) One of them not too far away actually has like a secret entrance behind a bookcase and all that kind of stuff (10:40) Okay, you know, so I love that kind of stuff.Um, so kind of it's kind of that vibe, right? (10:45) So indoor courts kitchen lounge conference room. What was you know when you had this vision? (10:50) Uh, how did you decide like which features were the most important other than the courts obviously? (10:55) So before we even did anything I put out a an ad on facebook, you know, I ran an ad for eight days (11:02) with (11:03) 25 a day and it was you know type form and he had questions like, you know (11:09) It really started with like, you know, give us your name and number. Here's this.Um, do you want to uh, (11:16) What's your t-shirt size, right? Because people love getting free stuff (11:19) So that was kind of like if you keep answering then there there might be a t-shirt at the end (11:24) So, uh, that was the hook, uh on there and then and then he got he had questions like would you do this? (11:30) Like would you do you play singles? Do you play doubles? Would you like showers? (11:35) Would you he just had a a bunch of questions? (11:38) And and at the end really the biggest question was would you pay a hundred dollars to be part of this, you know (11:44) Hypothetical club, right? And I would say we had a responsive (11:49) We had about 90 people that responded to that that ad in in the area (11:54) We did a 12 mile radius from from our location (11:58) And about 80 said yes, they would be willing to pay a hundred dollars to be a part of and then actually the next question was (12:05) Would you bring any friends in to invite to the membership and and that's the beauty about pickleball (12:10) No one wants to play alone, right? If you get one you're getting most likely three more and (12:17) And that's how um, that's kind of how the the whole thing started, huh and (12:23) And and it was great great response 80 response and you know, I love it. Okay. Well, let's let's go ahead and do it (12:30) Let's let's try it.You know, yeah, you're right because you know the the pickleball community (12:34) You quickly realize I have disposable income and now all of a sudden I don't have a disposable income because i'm buying paddles (12:41) I'm buying gear (12:42) Um, and so I but that's a different, uh clientele too, you know (12:47) Because you then I want I do want to feel special. I do want to feel exclusive (12:51) I do want to have this almost like a secret (12:53) I keep about where I play because you know, you're only letting in 100, right? (12:57) That's that's what it is starting with 100, right? That's right (13:00) So we you know the we kind of thought, you know, like you guys brought it up on your other one a speakeasy (13:07) kind of thing (13:09) Golf lounge, you know membership (13:11) So that's kind of the vibe like we'll have a lounge with you know, like leather couches and a place for people to hang out (13:18) um (13:19) You know just coffee machines drinks like people to just really to just feel part of something (13:24) Everyone wants to feel part of something. Yeah, that's right.And you know, there's a um, (13:29) the like when you when you restrict people from being part of something sometimes it becomes bigger than (13:35) Than what you can imagine there's actually a league here in town called the j jpl (13:42) And it's just a bunch of guys that got together and created a pickleball league and everyone in town wants to be a part of (13:48) But they don't invite anyone except the ones that kind of qualify for that. Yeah (13:54) And you know, everyone knows about it. Everyone wants to be a part of it (13:58) And so some some of the people I talked to were actually friends of mine who are in the jpl (14:03) And they uh, they're like oh man (14:05) We would join for sure because there are nights that it rains and we have we need a place to go play and we don't (14:09) Have anything so yeah when it's boutique like that, you know that that does it creates the mystery (14:15) That's you know, that's what hooked us was the mystery of it.Uh, you're definitely creating the mystery already (14:20) Um out there and then you got this other league that that doesn't just let anybody in as well (14:25) So the exclusivity for for sure drives people coming in (14:28) One of the questions going back to that that ad was was also like how many times a week do you play? (14:34) What times you like to play and you know, we don't want the semi pro guy who plays 15 times in a week (14:42) Yeah, you know because they're gonna clog up courts. Yeah, we want the one to three times a week person (14:49) Uh, the more casual let me have a place to play. Uh, and so it starts at 100 and then (14:56) We'll you know, we'll have three courts and and a half court for like practice and drills (15:03) There are drills or even one-on-one if you're waiting if you're waiting you can play one-on-one on a on a half court (15:09) We'll we'll have a titan machine out there for you to you know available for people to train to come by themselves (15:16) Uh towel service.So just trying to really, um, you know, give them a a good (15:22) Uh (15:23) Experience and if they don't and and you know, the the goal is okay after three months, man (15:30) We have a lot of courts court time available then, you know, you may be at another 10 people (15:36) You know (15:36) You can kind of slowly increase but always keeping in mind that the whole point of it is to (15:43) Make sure that people can get their their court. So you're the increase in price or increase in in membership (15:49) Yeah, I would imagine at some point (15:51) you know, there's there's going to be a balance where (15:54) Or some modality where you know for like the cigar lounge is a great example. I I go there (16:00) Because I like smoking cigars and I like to be around other people that do but I also go there because it's a nice quiet (16:05) place to work (16:06) Um, or you know, just just unwind from my regular day some days too (16:10) So i'm guessing you're gonna have uh that kind of feeling in there as well for sure (16:15) And I know on when you guys did the podcast you you guys talked about the conference room and how? (16:21) Someone threw a joke out there.Hey, that's what you want during your zoom call (16:25) You're gonna be hearing, uh, you know the ball bouncing around. That's right (16:29) and I didn't think of that, you know until (16:31) Uh, we're gonna try to insulate everything the the idea behind it was all was actually okay (16:37) We we have an hour but I have this call I gotta do (16:41) At 10 a.m (16:42) We can play let's I I can go in here do my do my zoom call do my meeting and then jump right into the game (16:48) you know, like instead of working from home and then having to drive or something like that that that was kind of the (16:53) But you you brought up a great point (16:56) Yeah, you I mean you could even do like maybe one or two small (17:00) What you would call like quiet booths, right so I I can jump in there (17:04) Uh, maybe there's a green screen painted right behind me so I can put whatever water back when I want (17:09) And it's sound insulated so I can hop in there for a meeting but then hop out and start playing my game after that (17:14) Yeah, uh, the other thing the other thing I was thinking is obviously (17:19) Corporate meetings, right? So hey, let's do a little uh team building today (17:23) We're going to talk about some corporate stuff (17:24) But then we're going to go out on the courts and we're going to get a couple pickleball lessons, you know (17:27) Smaller smaller little uh niche groups like that (17:30) Yeah, uh any surprising lessons that have come out of this so far because I you know, you played once or twice (17:35) Uh, so what anything surprising that jumped out to you like, oh man, I didn't even know that (17:40) Well, actually the most surprise I brought a lady here. Uh, she (17:44) There's a couple things one is I brought a lady who she's been playing for years.I mean, I don't know (17:49) I think like 10 15 years. She's actually the ambassador of pickleball here in lynchburg (17:53) Wow, and she she came by she does lessons and everything the one surprising thing because I she's like tell me the layout (18:00) And I told her that we're gonna have some showers and she's like I wouldn't put showers (18:03) No one takes showers after we play pickleball and I was like, well, what if you gotta go back to work, you know? (18:09) Yeah, you gotta (18:11) so, uh (18:11) That was pretty funny. But the the other one is how how much people really like it? (18:17) Yeah, you know because i've been having vehicles come through the construction site and it'd be some older lady (18:25) And i'm like, hey, can I help with anything and she's over there wearing her shorts or tank top and her paddles (18:31) Yeah, you know on her passenger.It's like it's just where the pickleball place is gonna go. Yes it is (18:37) So (18:38) We've had several of those, uh that have been coming through so it's been it's been pretty fun. That's awesome (18:45) That's awesome.All right. So let's do a little uh something we do dink and dinker destroy (18:49) I'm going to give you two choices. You can only pick one can't uh, can't can't choose both.All right (18:54) 100 perfect members or a thousand. Okay members 100 perfect members. Yeah.Yeah (19:00) club exclusivity or open casual membership (19:03) Exclusivity that's right, uh serene retreat or energetic social hub (19:09) Energetic social club. Okay social hub. Yeah.Yeah hands-on founder or delegating all operations delegating all operations (19:17) That's my man right there (19:20) Long-term vision or short-term momentum, uh long-term. Yeah. Yeah.Yeah, man (19:26) Uh, so love having you on brother tim (19:28) Uh, I can't wait to uh sneak in there one of these days in one of our travels (19:32) Uh come by meet you and see what it's all about. I know it's going to be doing big things (19:37) I know you'll fill up no matter what uh, and obviously we're going to keep promoting you out here on the big dink energy podcast (19:42) So thanks so much for taking time out of your day today. Appreciate it.Can't wait to have you guys out here (19:53) That's right, mr. Announcer man, thank you (19:55) This segment is powered by the dink and dash app the only pickleball app that's not about the game (20:01) It's about the people that you out there listening right now (20:03) Go over find your pickle pals (20:05) Keep your dink diary of wins losses and funny moments and earn dink badges by completing fun challenges at dink (20:12) underscore and underscore dash on instagram full launch coming soon on google play and the app store (20:18) dink and dash friends made courts played (20:21) memories (20:23) Saved. All right. All right.So dink or destroy is something we go thumbs up with we send it over the net (20:28) It's for us or thumbs down not for us (20:30) Today here's what I want to talk about (20:32) This is something that bothers me to no end (20:35) No, and I want to see where you all are on this and you out there in the listening audience (20:39) I want you to get involved as well. Uh cancel culture cancel (20:43) culture, okay, so (20:44) I'm looking at cancel culture accountability. So if someone makes a public mistake, are we canceling them? You're out of it (20:51) You know lose your job you lose your your friends lose your social media (20:55) um (20:56) The whole audience comes for you and cancels you or you give people space to apologize and grow and learn I think accountability (21:04) And censorship aren't always the same thing (21:07) So like people still have the right to speak but others also have the right to respond (21:12) Yeah, I get that but i'm talking about those things where (21:16) A group of people is offended.So the group coalesce mentality. Yeah, they get a mob mentality (21:22) They coalesce around the the thing the the faux pas that you made if it is that and then they come for you (21:28) They come for your job. They blow you up on social media.They make sure they call your job (21:32) They um, they tell they get in the in the google reviews for your job saying because you employ this person (21:37) I'm not going to use your product. I mean just just canceling someone where you lose your job over or something (21:43) Yeah, I mean without context and fairness and due process (21:47) I am a hundred percent against cancel culture. Yeah.Yeah. I um, yeah because (21:52) You see there's certain jobs that kind of lend to it as well (21:55) And now everybody has a camera phone (21:57) So every little mistake out there is amplified and it's pushed out into the social media world and it's picked up and run with (22:05) More than anybody can even control and a lot of them are like, you know (22:09) 10 second clips or whatever and you didn't see the the full context (22:14) There's no context. There's no fairness (22:16) There's you and and I think it's just creating fear people are afraid to say stuff do stuff (22:21) Because they don't know what's going to happen (22:23) Yeah, we've had to talk to our kids about it on things they post on social media or even things they share (22:28) You know just saying if you share something then people think you support whatever you're sharing.Absolutely (22:33) Which is you know, the reason you share things. It's valid (22:36) Yeah, that's a good reason to have a conversation about that. But yeah, I think that you know everything in context, right? (22:41) I I agree with that as well because um if your intention was to uh (22:46) To harm a person or harm a group of people or miss or malign them in some way, right then, okay (22:53) You know, maybe you don't need to have the public soapbox that you have, right? (22:57) But I don't think you know the person who just is living their life people people have bad days (23:02) They have bad moments.They have stress that comes into their life (23:04) You got a camera shoved in your face and you're and you're going through a crisis and someone caught it (23:09) Yeah, and someone caught it. I mean that yeah, I mean I believe in accountability (23:13) But like permanent destruction that's too far. Yeah, I mean we've all had bad moments (23:19) I can only imagine like on my worst days and i'm like, thank god.Somebody didn't have a camera (23:24) I probably said something my kid right that doesn't need to be on camera or whatever, you know (23:29) And I think everybody has those moments and everybody can throw stones until the role is reversed (23:36) That's right, you know and it's like well, I would never and it's like you don't know that you would never (23:40) You know flip a switch, you know, we've all flipped a switch we just don't have cameras in our face (23:46) Yeah, you know in my job and paddle princess's husband's job, you know, it's we I always have a camera on me (23:53) I know that for a fact and then I always have 10 cameras watching me. Yeah, that's kind of how I look at it (24:00) But I mean in a crisis where you know (24:02) Maybe bullets are flying or fists are flying and we're we're trying to subdue somebody, you know (24:07) I mean i've been in those situations and I haven't come off bad on camera (24:11) But I mean who knows any given sunday right any given day could be just that day that you know (24:16) even like people who catch people like at fast food restaurants or or at (24:21) You know the grocery store and they're like yelling at the cashier. It's like (24:24) What was said before that right? What led up to that what led up to it, you know (24:30) The antagonizing or the poor customer service and i'm not saying poor customer service gets, you know (24:36) even worse customer service back, but (24:40) There's a point where you know, let people be and if they do something wrong give them the space to apologize (24:46) You know and come back and say that's not what I meant.I'm sorry or whatever we do that in everyday life (24:51) We should do that in social media as well. Yeah (24:54) I mean there are people also that don't understand what grace is, you know, and it doesn't come back (24:59) It doesn't come back around to them (25:01) They don't understand how to give grace and they like you said though the mob mentality takes over, you know (25:05) I I think that's bad too. So i'm jumping in and i'm going to say the right the most horrific things about this person (25:10) And I think so.How's that better? (25:12) I think it's on either side of and i'm not trying to get political but on either side of the political spectrum (25:17) There's been things i'm like that does those people don't deserve that, you know, like I think people are just people first (25:24) You know and humanity and treating people with respect and being a good human (25:30) That comes first whether your religion political value, whatever, you know (25:35) We need to give people grace first. Yeah, and I think people they don't look at it from a perspective of what if that was me? (25:43) Exactly. Oh, I do.I know what if that was what if that was me? (25:46) What I how would I feel if that if this mob came for me, right? (25:49) because any it can any (25:51) Anything you do can be turned right around on you and then you're you're not in the good graces of the mob anymore (25:56) I I do like it in the sense now, maybe not the mob mentality (26:00) But I like it in the sense now that we're able to hold companies accountable (26:04) I do agree with that, you know, we're (26:07) Right wrong or indifferent, you know, sometimes it's wrong and sometimes they get it the mob gets it wrong (26:12) uh (26:12) But the the way that we're allowed to have voices now for companies where you know back in the day I would write a letter (26:18) To a company and say you wronged me or I would be or I would talk to the manager, right? (26:22) Right, um and say I was wronged in your business and hope I got some some recompense or some satisfaction from that (26:28) But you know anymore that those aren't going anywhere they're getting filtered by an ai and all that so (26:34) Now that now when I can raise my voice in my community and bring a bunch of voices with me (26:39) Then I might you know, I might get some satisfaction out of that. So I guess (26:44) You know, there is no way to really regulate it (26:47) I think each individual person needs to make that decision (26:50) Like if a company does something that I personally don't agree with I don't think they should be canceled. That's their prerogative (26:56) That's their company.That's their beliefs their business, but that doesn't mean I have to still support them (27:01) So I can do what I can individually do as a consumer (27:04) Yeah, but when it's like the whole company needs to be canceled. I I disagree their shareholders will determine that based on (27:12) Their customer. Yeah, if so many people stop using their product then now they have you know (27:17) A board that needs to decide what to do after that (27:20) But yeah coming out just on social media saying, you know (27:24) This that and the other just because somebody makes a a poor choice in a comment.I don't think yeah (27:30) I mean if you support the first amendment you support the first amendment, you know (27:35) It does go back both ways absolutely (27:38) Don't cancel us. Well, and there's that there's also the other side where it's accountability like to the girl who fried my daughter's hair (27:44) And then said that she was going to refund us and then didn't I did go on social media (27:49) And I left her review because I felt like that's like I had the right to say that you ruined my daughter's hair, right? (27:55) and (27:56) Then like i'm not inciting a mob to go after her though. No, you took your you took your your right to go on (28:04) Yeah, yeah (28:05) Your grievance went there and you didn't recruit people to your to your to your problem (28:10) You just said I had this problem (28:11) So now consumers can choose to to what they're going to do with about that (28:15) Which I think people should do and I think people should leave honest (28:19) Actual reviews because people do need to be held accountable when there is a wrong that is not righted (28:24) yeah, because on google like um (28:26) our big dink energy google leaves reviews on all of the courts and you know coffee shops and places that we go because (28:32) I know when we're traveling we're always looking at those reviews.Like did people have good food? (28:37) Did they have good service? So it's it's very important and I read those reviews all the time (28:41) Yeah, and you write a ton of them. I write a ton of them (28:43) You got a really good rating on your reviews. I do i'm pretty bad at that (28:47) I need to get better.Yeah, one one of our uh court reviews had like over 500 000 views. Oh, I was like dang (28:54) Can we translate that to cash somehow? I wish we could can we do it to listeners? Come on listeners (28:59) Hey navy federal figure out how we can get this in your banking system (29:01) but like you guys are saying I do hate it when somebody posts something and then everybody in the comments is like (29:07) Well, this is so-and-so from this place and they work here and his mother is this and the mother and their kids (29:12) We don't need to dox people like that's just out of control (29:15) Like yeah it it just because you don't like it move on with your life (29:19) You have to have something better to do with your life (29:21) than to seriously like spend all of your time trying to cancel someone and i'm telling you even if someone did me wrong and it (29:28) was a (29:29) Corporation a company a small business. I'm not doxing them.I'm not putting their personal business out there (29:34) That's just their family that's out of control. That's just too much. Yeah, like (29:39) Get a life exactly i'm gonna go (29:42) Destroy on cancel culture.I'm gonna be a destroy. Uh destroy as well. I like accountability culture.There you go (29:47) I agree with that. Well, this is a good one. Tell us what you think get up in the comments section (29:51) Uh, let us know what you think about accountability or cancel culture in general